Paul Wheaton talks to Alex Ojeda about Sepp Holzer's Permaculture, and how he manages his fruit trees. Sepp is growing a variety of trees, including citrus, in the Austrian Alps. Fruit trees are well suited for animal paddocks as they're a great food source. They talk about fruit tree wood for joinery or art. Paul shares about the movie, Alone in the Wilderness. They talk about Helen Atthowe who studied under Masanobu Fukuoka. Paul talks about participating as a permaculturalist in zone 5. Sepp writes about "becoming an expert" at ag school and applying what he learned to his wilderness garden. His gardens died, writes that he turned plants into "addicts," and he went back to letting nature do her work. They talk about cancer. -----Sepp writes about choosing not to prune fruit trees. Paul talks about exceptions to this. They talk about making money with permaculture. They talk about farm subsidies and net income. Paul shares about his windy experience in Great Falls, Montana, and the presence of Russian Olive trees there. You can't buy the trees anymore there because it is being called a noxious weed. They talk about browsing, and the need to provide enough food for wild animals. Sepp also writes about his protective bone salve. Discussing the podcast.